Ezra and Matt on the deep roots (or not) of the lockdown debate. Resources: "Experts’ 7 best ideas on how to beat Covid-19 and save the economy" by Matthew Yglesias, Vox "This drawing explains a surprising amount about your political views" by Matthew Yglesias, Vox "America’s coronavirus testing numbers are really improving — finally" by German Lopez "The Density Divide" by Will Wilkinson, Niskanen Center "Trump Rewrites the Book on Emergencies" by Christopher DeMuth, WSJ "Without More Tests, America Can’t Reopen" by Ezekiel J. Emanuel &Paul M. Romer Books referenced: Prius or Pickup? by Jonathan Weiler & Marc Hetherington Open versus Closed by Christopher M. Federico, Howard G. Lavine, & Christopher D. Johnston Hosts: Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias), Senior correspondent, Vox Ezra Klein (@ezraklein), Editor-at-large, Vox Credits: Jeff Geld, (@jeff_geld), Editor and Producer The Weeds is a Vox Media Podcast Network production Want to support The Weeds? Please consider making a contribution to Vox: bit.ly/givepodcasts About Vox Vox is a news network that helps you cut through the noise and understand what's really driving the events in the headlines. Follow Us: Vox.com Facebook group: The Weeds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices