In this episode, Prentis sits with activist, organizer, educator, and author, Mariame Kaba, to discuss abolition and its connection to healing work. This conversation asks us to confront difficult truths about our enacting of relationship, our striving for innocence, and how much we might actually draw pleasure from punishment. Find the show notes + transcript on our website: www.findingourwaypodcast.com Come practice with us at The Embodiment Institute: www.theembodimentinstitute.org Follow us on Instagram @findingourwaypodcast Stay up to date on Prentis' work by joining our newsletter The Finding Our Way Team includes: Prentis Hemphill - Host and Producer Eddie Hemphill - Co-Producer + Editor devon de Leña - Co-Producer + Visual Design