In this episode, Brian and I have a conversation around the cross of Jesus and his latest book The Wood Between the Worlds. It’s a deep conversation around suffering and putting to shame the powers and principalities. We talk about the multi-faceted meaning of the cross and view it through a kaleidoscope, so we can uncover more and more depth of meaning. We talk about the Kingdom, galvanizing around an axis of power or an axis of love expressed in forgiveness, and the seduction of power we find in the Lord of the Rings. It’s a fantastic conversation that I know you will enjoy. So join us as we look at the multi-faceted wonder of the cross. Brian Zahnd is the founder and lead pastor of Word of Life Church in St. Joseph, Missouri. Known for his theologically informed preaching and his embrace of the deep and long history of the church, Zahnd provides a forum for pastors to engage with leading theologians and is a frequent conference speaker. He is the author of several books, including When Everything's On Fire, Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God, A Farewell to Mars, and Beauty Will Save the World. Brian's Book: The Wood Between the Worlds Brian's Recommendations: Bob Dylan - Shadow Kingdom Metallica - 72 Seasons Connect with Joshua: jjohnson@allnations.us Go to www.shiftingculturepodcast.com to interact and donate. Every donation helps to produce more podcasts for you to enjoy. Follow on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, or Threads at www.facebook.com/shiftingculturepodcast https://www.instagram.com/shiftingculturepodcast/ https://twitter.com/shiftingcultur2 https://www.threads.net/@shiftingculturepodcast https://www.youtube.com/@shiftingculturepodcast Consider Giving to the podcast and to the ministry that my wife and I do around the world. Just click on the support the show link below. KINGDOM COME WITH ANDREW NKOYOYO Learn how to experience Holy Spirit's power, healing, miracles. Subscribe/follow now below Listen on: Apple Podcasts Spotify Support the show