Today on THE ROCK FIGHT (an outdoor podcast that aims for the head) we're taking a look at one of the founding pillars of the outdoor industry: innovation. Ever since the material, design and textile boom of the 1970's and 1980's the outdoors has been an example of how innovation could solve problems and fuel commerce. But over the past 20 years there haven't been that many innovative breakthroughs even though outdoor brands continue to tell us every season that they have the next great thing. Today on THE ROCK FIGHT Barry McGeough, who's career has been defined by leading innovation teams at brands like The North Face, PVH and Wolverine sits down with Colin to talk about the state of innovation in the outdoor industry and why we need to make more stuff, not less stuff. Head to www.rockfight.co and sign up for News From the Front, Rock Fight's weekly newsletter! Please follow and subscribe to THE ROCK FIGHT and give us a 5 star rating wherever you get your podcasts. Have a question or comment for a future mailbag episode? Send it to myrockfight@gmail.com or send a message on Instagram or Threads. Subscribe to Adventure Journal to get more Justin Housman in your life. Check out Long Weekend Coffee for the best cup of coffee for your next adventure. Be sure to enter promo code 'rock10' at checkout to receive 10% off of your first order. Thanks for listening! THE ROCK FIGHT is a production of Rock Fight, LLC.