Summary Building a web application requires integrating a number of separate concerns into a single experience. One of the common requirements is a content management system to allow product owners and marketers to make the changes needed for them to do their jobs. Rather than spend the time and focus of your developers to build the end to end system a growing trend is to use a headless CMS. In this episode Jake Lumetta shares why he decided to spend his time and energy on building a headless CMS as a service, when and why you might want to use one, and how to integrate it into your applications so that you can focus on the rest of your application. Announcements Hello and welcome to Podcast.__init__, the podcast about Python and the people who make it great. When you’re ready to launch your next app or want to try a project you hear about on the show, you’ll need somewhere to deploy it, so take a look at our friends over at Linode. With the launch of their managed Kubernetes platform it’s easy to get started with the next generation of deployment and scaling, powered by the battle tested Linode platform, including simple pricing, node balancers, 40Gbit networking, dedicated CPU and GPU instances, and worldwide data centers. Go to pythonpodcast.com/linode and get a $100 credit to try out a Kubernetes cluster of your own. And don’t forget to thank them for their continued support of this show! Python has become the default language for working with data, whether as a data scientist, data engineer, data analyst, or machine learning engineer. Springboard has launched their School of Data to help you get a career in the field through a comprehensive set of programs that are 100% online and tailored to fit your busy schedule. With a network of expert mentors who are available to coach you during weekly 1:1 video calls, a tuition-back guarantee that means you don’t pay until you get a job, resume preparation, and interview assistance there’s no reason to wait. Springboard is offering up to 20 scholarships of $500 towards the tuition cost, exclusively to listeners of this show. Go to pythonpodcast.com/springboard today to learn more and give your career a boost to the next level. Your host as usual is Tobias Macey and today I’m interviewing Jake Lumetta about Butter CMS and the role of a headless CMS in the modern web ecosystem. Interview Introductions How did you get introduced to Python? Can you start by describing what a headless CMS is? How does the use case and user experience differ from working with a traditional CMS (e.g. WordPress, etc.)? How does a headless CMS compare to using a framework such as Django CMS or Wagtail? Can you describe what you have built at ButterCMS? What was your motivation for starting a business to provide a CMS as a service? How would you characterize the current state of the CMS ecosystem? How does ButterCMS compare to the available open source and commercial options? What are the trends in the web ecosystem that have made a headless CMS necessary or useful? What types of information are people managing in a CMS? How are people integrating headless CMS systems into their Python applications? Can you describe the architecture for Butter? How has the system changed or evolved since you first began working on it? What was your decision process for determining what language(s) and technology stack to use for building the platform? What are the aspects of building and maintaining a CMS that are most complex? What are some of the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen ButterCMS used? What have you found to be the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while building ButterCMS? When is ButterCMS the wrong choice? What do you have planned for the future of ButterCMS? Keep In Touch LinkedIn @jakelumetta on Twitter Picks Tobias The Arrow TV Show Jake Ghost In The Wires by Kevin Mitnick Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don’t forget to check out our other show, the Data Engineering Podcast for the latest on modern data management. Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes. If you’ve learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email hosts@podcastinit.com) with your story. To help other people find the show please leave a review on iTunes and tell your friends and co-workers Join the community in the new Zulip chat workspace at pythonpodcast.com/chat Links ButterCMS Hiring: Dir of Engineering PHP Django MVC == Model, View, Controller Headless CMS WordPress Django CMS Wagtail Podcast Episode SEO == Search Engine Optimization JAM (Javascript, APIs, and Markup) Stack Netlify Vercel Cloudflare Pages Vue.js React.js Django Rest Framework Fastly CDN == Content Delivery Network AWS Cloudfront Ionic React Native The intro and outro music is from Requiem for a Fish The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA