We discuss Fabian's journey in the WordPress ecosystem, his role at 10up, and the evolution of the Gutenberg block editor. We explore the balance between client work and open source contributions, the impact of the block editor on web development, and the challenges faced in block development. The discussion also touches on the future of navigation menus in WordPress and the optimism surrounding Gutenberg's progress. Links Mentioned https://gutenberg.10up.com/ https://10up.github.io/Engineering-Best-Practices/